BAZAAR
- August 2000
Winona
takes all equal parts old fashioned girl and gen- X icon, WR is
a study in elegant contradictions. Henry Alford asked the rtar about
her man- eating reputation, her passion for fashion,and why she's
happy to let someone else play the ingenue. 90 seconds after i have
met WR at the appoited time (4:00pm on a rainy Sunday) and the appoit
place,she removes her floppy fisherman's hat and asks, "Would you
do me a favor? Would you feel my forehead?". She wonders if she
is as sick as she feels. I oblige her and offer a bleak prognosis;the
heat emanating from her brow has the fiery intensity of nuclear
fission. But Ryder's unguarded nature- I allude, of course, to the
impromptu temperature- taking,byt also to a blithe manner that is
somehow exhibited by her denim-intensive outfit and her consumption
of copious amounts of chocolate-covered raisins- will be thrown
into contrast by her habit, during the interview, of holding her
hand in front of my tape recorder when saying anything that might
be construed as gossipy. Indeed, like many interesting people, 28
year old Winona is a study in the unexpected. She is a Gen-X icon,
yet her personal interests run to things like Preston Sturges films
ang first- edition books.
She
was raised a Buddhist by hippie parents in San Francisco;yet her
friends describe her as conservative, and her elegant,$2.5 million
Beverly hills home has been featured on the cover of Architectural
Digest. And though she appears, in person, to be someone who has
wandered off the set of reality Bites, her best performances are
arguably her work in period films like The age of I,The Crucible
and Little Women.Ryder's new film, Autumn in New York, directed
by Joan Chen, is contemporary in setting, but it harks back in spirit
to the Holywood melodramas of the '30s and '40s. Ryderplays a terminally
ill artist who falls in love with an older man-a romantic situation
that, as it turns out, has some surprisingly personal resonance
for the young actress whose relationships have tended to be with
men closer to her own age(Depp, Pirner,Damon). Althouht she will
neatly dodge my questions about her most recent ex-" I don't have
anything really to say. It was amicable"- Ryder graciously accepts
my invitation to discuss a variety of non- Damon topics. When ,before
we begin, she retrieves a smoll inhaler of cold medicine and asks
if i mindif she applies some of it to her nasal passages, I encourage
her to forge ahead; after all, we have already shared a certain
amuont of forehead-based intimacy.
-Have
you ever fallen for an older man?
+On
movie sets, I used to get crushes all the time on older men who
worked in the camera department. There's no vanity with those guys.
They're working and they're sweating and they're hilarious. Not
crushes like i wanted to sleep with them. I just love them. There
was a guy who was a focus puller on Girl ,Interrupted, and there
are close- ups of me where, off-camera, I was holding his hand.
Not as a xesual thing, but because he was so there for me.
-What
was working with Richard Gere like?
+He
was great. I've worked opposite guys who became movie stars, but
it was first time working opposite a real movie star. You forget
how many movies Richard's made- he knows whether a scene is working
or not. He's also serene, which obviously has something to do with
his Buddhism. He'd get up an hour before our call time each day
to meditate.
-Did
you guys meditate together?
+No.
-In
Girl, Interrupted, you were the lead and Angelina was the ingenue.
How dose it feel not to be the ingenue anymore?
+When
we first started shooting,I realized I was the oldest girl in the
movie. I was so depressed for the first few days.But then I kindof
love it because i saw [the actresses]going through stuff that i'd
ben through,and that felt nostalgic. It also gave me a great opportunity
to give them advice. A lot of yuong actresses think that if they're
offered a movie, they have to take it. I try to encourage them to
have a life and not to do movies just to do a movie.
-You
have made a lot of literary adaptations;your character in Reality
Bites was fired from her job for "intellectual condescension".Do
you ever worry about being called a snob?
+I
was just accused of that!I was flabbergasted. I was making fun of
the questions on Who want to be a millionare,and my friend said,"Not
everyone was raised in a library,you know."
-In
your first three movies, you played either a nerd or a witch.
+Then
i did Heathers, and the script literally said,"the least attractive
of the girls"I got very used to the idea that if i was not going
to be a leading lady, i would be like Ruth.. Ruth...
-Buzzi?
+Gordon.
-You
collect vintage clothing.What do you look for?
+I
kind of go along with what fashion does.If fashion is featuring
pencil skirts, then i'll go buy great vintage ones. What i really
collect are cloths that have been in movie that i love.I haveClaudette
Colbert's dress from It happened One Night.I have some of Pier Angeli's
clothes.
-You
also own the Ava Gardner dress you wore to the Orscars this year,
Leslie Caron's dress from An American in Paris,and the Sandra Dee
bikini from the Tammy movies. What's up with that?
+I
have always wanted the world to be a movie;I wanted theme music
when i walk down the strees. When I was little, whenever something
bad would happen, I would close my eyes and try to "face to black".After
i started making movies, i started saying "cut" when i wanted a
conversation to end;I've even said it-thic is so sad-to boyfriends.
-Do
you own any snoods?
+NO
-Do
you know what snoods are?
+No,[I
explain that they are hair nets that were popular in the 1940s]No.
But all my clothes in Beetlejuice- that frilly lace, the clingy
black dresses-were my great grandmother's.
-I
read that a lot of your friends are gay men. Which is interesting
because you love old movies, you like vintage clothing,you have
a good sense of humor-in a way, you are kind of like a really cute
gay guy.
+Well,
I don't like to generalize. A lot of my friends are real guys-it's
not like me and a bunch of drag qeens. But i did grow up in San
Francisco, right near the Castro.My mom made the first documentary
about AIDS,and i was in it.
-Didn't
you get beaten up in sevanth grade for dressing up like Jimmy Cagney?
+I
was wearing an old Salvation Army-shop boy's suit. I had a hall
pass, so i went to the girl's bathroom. I heared people saying"hey,faggot".They
slammed my head into a locker. I fell to the ground and they started
to kick the shit out of me.I had to have stitches. The school kick
me out,not the bullies. Years later, i went to a coffee shop in
Petaluma, and i ran into one of the girls who'd kicked me, and she
said"Winona, Winona, can I have you autograph?"and i said"Do you
remember me?I wnet to Kenilworth.Remember how,in sevevth grade,
you beat up that kid?"and she said,"Kind of",and i said"That was
me.Go f--yourself!"
-You
are natural blonde?
+Yes.
i started dyeing my hair when i was 11or 12-I would dye it blue
or purple.When i auditioned fog Lucas, my hair was black and they
wanted to keep it.
-Describe
a perfect day.
+Sleep
really late. Call up a friend,walk around San Francisco, and see
a Preston Sturges double feature-Sullivan's Travels and The Lady
Eve.Go buy a bunch of CDd and an ice cream.I get home and there's
a message on my machine from Tom Waits.I go to Tom and Kathy's house-
I baby sat their kids wheni was 15-and Tom would be working on something,
and he'd play it.Then John Prine would stop by,and Bonnie Raitt,
too.They'd all play.Jim Jarmusch would be there.He'd turn to me
and say,"Will you be in my next movie?Tom i going to be in it, and
Elias Koteas, Sean Penn, Gena Rowlands..."Then everyone in the room
would individually tell me how, for a really long time,they secretly
thought I wasgreat.Suddenly my cell phone rings:Marty Scorsese calls
me to tell me that scientists have discovered an inexpensive way
to restore old movies. Then he says,"By the way, will you be in
my next movie?"
-Is
it hard to meet guys who aren't intimidated by you?
+I
don't know.I don't fell like I'm a famous person. I fell like i'm
the dark-haired girl from Beetlejuice or the girlfrome Heathers.What
happened to Julia Roberts never happened to me.I'm a familiar face;I
was always just kind of there.I've never been in really big movies.Or
if i'm in big movies, it's not because of me, it's because it's
a Tim Burton movie or because it's Dracula.
-US
magazine once published a six-degrees-of-separation chart where
they traced a lot of Hollywood hunks back to you. +Which was bullshit.
I hadn't met half those guys.That really pissed me off.[Lemonheads
bandleader]Evan Dando: I shook his hand once.He was roommates with
my ex, Johnny.I've met David Duchovny, talked for maybe seven minutes.Stephan
Jenkins from Third Eye Blind-met him briefly.I don't like to be
linked with people i hardly know. I'm 28.I have had four long relationships.
I don't know if four is a lot for 28 or not many.But i don't feel
like i have to answer for that.
-Who
are you seeing now?
+I'm
dating myself,I guess you'd say.I'm taking myself out for dinner.I'm
taking myself out and I'm going to play nice music in the car.I
may end up taking advantage of myself.Maybe I'll even tie myself
up.
take
me back
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